that's lower than george w. bush won the hispanic vote in 2004. gwen: neither campaign are terribly concerned about that. they just want to win at all cost. do we see any kind -- everybody says it doesn't matter who shows up. as we watch get out the vote efforts an we watch voter disputes and the lawyers being dispatched around the country, is there anything happening that we don't see that doesn't show up in the polls? >> it is the first election since 2004 that's "normal." >> 2006 was a wave, 2010 was a wave. everybody saw the same data. and they were disagreing around the margin. now both sides have a fundamentally different view. it's not just these conversations with the campaigns, the presidential campaigns but also talking to republicans who are doing senate races. democrats who are doing their own independent polling. they too are coming up with polls that look like they're from different planets. so democrats, republicans, very different ideas of what this elect tort is going to look like. gwen: let's go gown to ohio where mitt romney is